Response to "The Torture Myth"
Anne Applebaum makes a good point, or argument.
When dealing with something as controversial as torture, it is advisable to focus on points that don't rely on support as malleable as morals or ethics. Applebaum immediately dismisses the morality of torture in the first paragraph of her essay in order to counter any opposing arguments that may use the subjectivity of morality issues against her. Instead, the author argues that torture should be discontinued, not because it is immoral, but because it is an ineffective method of extracting information.
The author negates possible counterarguments in her essay in order to establish her own argument. Applebaum states conditions of rebuttal and explains other positions and their arguments. Then, she explains how the other positions would be invalid in this situation and supports this claim with evidence, quotes from people such as the FBI, who complained that "every time the FBI established a rapport with a detainee, the military would step in and the detainee would stop being cooperative". The author contends that torture is ineffective and is actually counterproductive. She also lists the reasons as to why people would believe otherwise, discussing the common belief that "radical terrorists are nasty, so to defeat them we have to be nastier". She refutes this belief and labels this thinking and practice "self-defeating".
Applebaum supports her thesis with hard evidence, comprised mostly of statements from credible people with experience on the subject. Without ethos from herself, the author has to establish credibility by citing people that do have credibility. She cites people such as intelligence officers and interrogation officers that work in the field, all of whom are credible sources of information. Most of the people she cites are military, who would have experience in the matter of torturing for information.
The author also makes the argument alongside her main claim that torture negatively affects the image of the United States. Applebaum supports this claim with more evidence from credible people, like the CIA. Since the author doesn't have much ethos, she relies on ethos from other people, who also happen to serve as her logos. Throughout the essay, the author mostly uses logos and ethos to prove her claim, deriving almost nothing from pathos, which is mostly due to her initial statement: "Just for a moment, let's pretend that there is no moral, legal, or constitutional problem with torture". It would be hypocritical for her to make an argument based on ethos when she declares that her argument would not rely on the moral issues of torture.
The author makes an excellent argument of fact. She states the common belief about a fact, discusses it, provides evidence for her claim about the fact, and counters any opposing positions. Her claim is well-founded, backed by evidence and warrants. Her evidence is also supported with backing, which further cements her argument. By the end of the essay, Applebaum has made a convincing argument that is difficult to argue against.
You hit the nail on the head with your first paragraph. Her thesis is exactly what you said which is criticizing torture for its ineffectiveness as opposed to the issue of whether or not it is morally just. I think it’s interesting that you refer to ethics as being “malleable.” It’s a good way to think about ethics that had not occurred to me before. Because we are so diverse in this world, ethics will vary from culture to culture and can even be changed in a person’s lifetime. In a similar way, metals that are malleable can be easily mended into different shapes.
ReplyDeleteThe author does provide a good amount of support for her ideas, but I have a problem with one thing she says. She labels the sentence that states that “radical terrorists are nasty, so to defeat them we have to be nastier” as “self defeating.” This, I believe, is self-defeating, if you will, to her own argument. At the beginning, she said she was going to leave the ethics out of it, but it seems to me that she slipped up right here and let the ethics sneak in as a factor. By labeling the practice in this manner, Applebaum is actually judging torturing as being bad because it is working similarly to how terrorists work and accomplishing a similar purpose. It’s only a subtle slip, but it’s noticeable nonetheless.
I agree with you that her citations of authority contribute to her ethos. However, just because somebody is involved with the military doesn’t mean they will have experience with torture. Perhaps some of the higher officers who decide whether or not to torture someone will have experience, but I would say the majority of soldiers and officers will not know a great deal about it. Applebaum definitely gets a lot of her ethos from these citations which do indeed serve as her logos as well. Her pathos is very lacking because torturing is such a touchy subject that almost everybody has some sort of opinion about, and the argument that she is making could easily escalate to a conflict because of these opinions, not to mention the fact that many feel it is in direct conflict with the Constitution which forbids the any “cruel and unusual punishment.”
I agree with Hector, you did hit the nail on the head with the first paragraph. The author was dealing in a very controversial issue. It would be impossible to make an argument of opinion when addressing this issue, especially when it is about whether or not torture is an effective method of extracting definition. I like how the author used mode of definition in the following paragraph to outline a specific situation, black and white with no grey area at all, to set the stage for her argument.
ReplyDeleteThe author does state hard evidence and in that, Abblebaum cites authorities that give her ethos points toward her main argument. She doesn't mess around with speculators and politicians as she cites torture experts, people who have been exposed to and prescribed torture to extract information. The author does use a lot of logos and ethos, both of which can help her eliminate bias, establish credibility and make a strong, valid argument.
This is an excellent article of fact Applebaum is making. An argument of fact, consisting of the establishment of a fact and supporting whether or not it is actually a fact, is a perfect structure for her argument. Again, it helps her take her opinion out whilst explicitly exploring a controversial issue effectively.
I'll have to give you kudos for your rhetorical analysis. You used chunks to form an analysis of her argument, and, just as she did, you eliminated all bias. Strong argument on your part.
Now I'll insert my opinion into this argument of torture. By no means is it fair and effective. Fairness has to have a positive product for both sides of an issue. If the only positive product that is produced is information for the prevailing force, what have you personally achieved. Life isn't fair, I have realized a long time ago. Subjugating humanity, sickening.
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